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August 22, 2007

Aren't Discovery and Deposition In Civil Trials Really Slavery?

It seems to me that slavery exists in the American courtroom today within two widely-used and widely-abused civil trial procedures, discovery and deposition, and that it is abused badly, as slavery tends to be.

Discovery and deposition are procedures in civil trials involving the judge ordering litigants to produce information or answer questions for the benefit of the litigants and court. This is a routine request that is often made by civil lawyers and usually substantially granted in the form of orders to the litigants about what they must produce. These often involve CEO and other executive appearances or questionings by lawyers, and lengthy or difficult sets of questions, sometimes expensive and hard for the litigants to produce. There is no standard evidentiary threshold forthese requests to be granted, meaning that defendants in abusive suits often must undergo major costs without any evidence being brought.

Thus, any civil trial can run to very high costs. There are plenty of abusive litigants who file cases with little or no evidence in the expectation that many defendants will rightly compute their costs as lesser if they settle. Discovery and deposition were instituted to try to reduce numbers of cases lacking evidence. They might be reasonable if requesters had to pay all costs of answering the request.

Sometimes payment for discovery costs is requested and granted, but it's rarely requested. Are lawyers lax about about telling their clients that it's a possibility? After all, the fees are so much higher otherwise, with no incentive to limit requests.

Clubbing Seal Cubs: SCO v. IBM

The case par excellence of this is SCO's various threats, legal maneuverings, and suits against Linux vendors and major Linux users. SCO claimed that they owned rights to the Unix Operating sytem and that Linux is infringing on its copyrights. At no time did they present any evidence that they either owned Unix rights or that Linux infringed on Unix. Nonetheless, they sent many letters to Linux vendors and users, requiring payments for Linux licenses. Some paid, no doubt feeling that settlement was cheaper than civil proceedings. Red Hat Linux countersued against SCO.

In 2003 and early 2004, SCO filed suit against Linux vendors IBM and Red Hat, and Linux users AutoZone and DaimlerChrysler. The next year, SCO filed suit against Novell, the actual holder of Unix rights, for daring to say so. Despite the lack of evidence, SCO v IBM, SCO v Novell, and Red Hat v SCO all remain pending four years later.

I've been watching this trial since 2005 via the informative legal blog site Groklaw. Most of the delay in the case came from SCO asking for tons of discovery. Because there's no standard for minimum evidence, most of the non-impossible requests were granted (including plenty of tough requests). Remember, again, SCO never presented ANY hard evidence to support them even owning Unix copyright, much less of copyright infringement. That didn't stop those requests from being granted. The various defendants and Red Hat must've wasted well over $100M on this case. All wasted, unless you're fortunate to be a lawyer on the case.

More Evidence

Many civil lawyers warn their clients that discovery and deposition costs can grow high when going against big pockets. Thus, people without big pockets are discouraged from suing even when they have good cases, and people with big pockets are encouraged to sue even when they have no case.

I've been directly involved with one patent infringement case that had no evidence of infringement, and was solely filed to try and force a startup to spend more than it could afford. I've been an employee in another company that was sued over patent issues to try to raise fear and uncertainty from deterring the market and Wall Street from noticing our better and more innovative product line.

Another case is of John Ousterhout, one of the world's best computer researchers, being forced to spend over a year mostly answering discovery requests on behalf of UC Berkeley related to a course he taught. There was no evidence of UCB wrongdoing - it was purely a fishing expedition. He probably would otherwise have accomplished something pretty important in that time.

Conclusions

So, if you're a lawyer, I hope you'll think about this a bit.

Posted by Jon Kay at August 22, 2007 02:59 AM
Comments

I am a commercial litigator, and I have seen my fair share of discovery abuses. I have also been involved in a case where massive discovery was the only way to find the needle that we suspected existed in the haystack and, once the needle was found, the value of the case swing $100MM in our favor.

Sure, there are abuses in the discovery process, and judges aren't always interested in rolling up their sleeves and imposing some sorts of reasonable controls on discovery. But to compare civil discovery to slavery is just silly.

Posted by: Todd Pearson at August 22, 2007 10:35 AM

Well, was the defendant in question required to answer a substantially hard set of questions, conduct document searches, or disrupt its executives schedules to answer questions? None of that would've been anything like free (was a motion to reverse costs filed?). All *before* its guilt was established. How isn't that slavery? We do pay jurors, and did pay draftees.

Yes, discovery does nail guilty companies that otherwise would go free. But it also routinesly nails the innocent. That's evil and wrong.

Notice, I'm not suggesting getting rid of discovery, just requiring litigants to pay for it upfront.
That would also tend to contain another problem: long lists of fishing questions. Those would be whittled down to the important questions if the questioner had to pay for them.

Another problem with discovery as practiced is that it vastly lengthens trials. Microsoft has lost plenty of trials, but most of the losses happened after the offended were out of cash and sold off or in receivership (like Netscape), and far after the products in question were severely obsolete. How does that help anybody? Justice delayed is justice denied.

Posted by: Jon Kay at August 22, 2007 11:55 AM

OK, the current (lack of) constraint on discovery requests is wrong. But leaving no way to get to the information would be wrong, too. And I'm not convinced that simply having the requester pay for the search is a fair solution either. (And not just because of how easy it is to inflate the costs of such an operation. Ask anyone who has dealt with a "time and materials" contract -- from either side.)

Perhaps a better way is to have the requester pay if nothing substantive is discovered. And not pay if convincing evidence of wrong-doing is discovered. That leaves only specifying what constitutes "substantive" compared to how exhaustive the request was. But it seems like it would be fairer than the current approach.

Posted by: wj at August 22, 2007 12:13 PM

Perhaps a better way is to have the requester pay if nothing substantive is discovered.

That'd help. It might've deterred the Berkeley discovery that I mentioned in the post. But the other incidences would still be going on. If you're a company with deep pockets (there's evidence Microsoft has funded the SCO case), trying to bankrupt or make life hard for a smaller, nimbler competitor, then you won't be deterred.

First, you can afford to lose the money, even if nothing shows up. In the meantime, the small company is out vast sums. The small company won't be comforted by being paid back in bankruptcy court.

Nor does it work for a small litigant suing a big litigant, because the big litigant can afford to do all the same stuff they do today to make the little guy unreasonably miserable.

Posted by: Jon Kay at August 23, 2007 01:37 AM
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