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November 21, 2006

Game On

Last Sunday on This Week, Senator McCain stated his position on gay marriage. IMO it is the same position he took in 2000 and the same position he has taken since, which is that he personally opposes gay marriage but believes the issue should be left up to the states. He also stated his support for Civil Unions and has in the past opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment. All in all this seems to be the mainstream position of the day, and the one that is taken by most elected officials who are closest to the middle.

McCain's recent statements have earned him some early campaign shots from Governor Mitt Romney who opposes gay marriage and supports an amendment to the Constitution that would ban it, or at least he does now that he is running for President.

Romney recently stated:

"Look, if somebody says they're in favor of gay marriage, I respect that view. If someone says -- like I do -- that I oppose same-sex marriage, I respect that view.... But those who try and pretend to have it both ways, I find it to be disingenuous."

This is one big reason I will not mark my ballot for Mitt under any circumstance in the primary or general election, the other is that he is the most greasy of the Republican contenders. Mitt is the George W. Bush of the 2008 elections in that he is attempting to take a complex issue and explain it to the American people like we are a bunch of idiots, and we have had enough.

McCain's position isn't disingenuous, and it isn't having it both ways. In fact, it is in line with current policy under the Defense of Marriage Act that leaves the issue up to the states. The same Defense of Marriage Act that was passed by a conservative Republican Congress.

What gets to me the most is that Romney's obvious pander is just the first of many rhetorical shots that we will see from the right in an attempt to label McCain what he is not, a liberal. When you think about it, McCain's position is historically consistent with Conservative Republican principles that value state right's, while Mitt and social conservatives are proposing government over the individual.

Let me make this logic clear. They see a problem and are proposing a government solution to the problem by pushing for the biggest regulations of them all, an amendment to the Constitution. Why are they doing this? To stop activist Judges from redifining marriage, so they say, yet that has only happened in states where voters immediately turned around and voted to ban gay marriage. In fact, I don't remember a state where the issue has come up that has voted in favor of legalizing marriage for gay couples. Seems sort of knee-jerk to me, and we are supposed to believe that John McCain is the liberal.

For the record, I agree with the Senator that the issue should be left up to the states, but support gay marriage where he opposes it. However, I can tell the difference between a politician that takes an ideologically consistent stand on an issue and one that is taking a stand solely for political gain.

Posted by Starbucks Republican at November 21, 2006 07:39 PM
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Romney's suggestion shows only one thing: he cannot accept diversity. No matter what he says about respecting others' views, he is incapable of understanding that someone might be tolerant of others acting on views which differ from their own. He may "respect" other views, but he thinks it right to demand that everybody conform to one view or the other. Apparently diversity, at least of anything except opinion, is unacceptable.

I suppose that his personal views may not be the same as his professed views. But that hardly constitutes greater virtue, does it?

Posted by: wj at November 22, 2006 10:33 AM

It constitutes a politician. :-)

Yep, Romney's trying to get early positioning with the so-con base against McCain. Painting McCain as a liberal won't work. Painting McCain as a maverick and a bit of a flake might.

Posted by: Tully at November 22, 2006 10:59 AM

Matthew;

Mitt is the George W. Bush of the 2008 elections in that he is attempting to take a complex issue and explain it to the American people like we are a bunch of idiots, and we have had enough
Is that really a tactic unigue to GW?

wj;

He may "respect" other views, but he thinks it right to demand that everybody conform to one view or the other.
Is that really being disingenous? Aren't there many cases where this is true? (i.e. opposition to the war and pushing for immediate withdrawel but still "respecting" those who insist on remaining, OR insisting on building a wall and deporting ALL illegal immigrants but "respecting" those who are pushing for a mixed solution)

Gee, in the best of all worlds where civility reigned I'd expect to see a lot of folks in this position. Its not mutually exclusive to believe strongly in something and push hard for your preferred solution but still respect those who disagree with you.

Posted by: c3 at November 22, 2006 02:29 PM

But I would see a difference between advocating something, even strongly, and insisting that everybody else be forced to conform to the position that I am advocating . . . even though their different position will not actually impact me.

Granted that there are some things where it is necessary that one position or the other prevail. Which side of the road to drive on comes to mind -- if one person does not stick to the local custom, there will be problems for everybody. But gay marriage? At most it may be a bad example for others, But is the possibility of someone else falling into sin a reason to mandate conformity? At least, I have yet to hear a rational explanation of how someone else being gay and married actually hurts my marriage.

Posted by: wj at November 22, 2006 02:59 PM

wj;

At most it may be a bad example for others, But is the possibility of someone else falling into sin a reason to mandate conformity? At least, I have yet to hear a rational explanation of how someone else being gay and married actually hurts my marriage.
My statement had nothing to do with "sin" and I've have a hard time when someone claims a law should be passed soley because of "sin" (and that's speaking as a Christian). Now as for the gay marriage issue, I stated in other posts that the bigger issue is what's the states interest in sanctioning/encouraging a private agreement (i.e marriage). There is some compelling social research regarding the positive societal benefits of marriage and procreation. I admit that if you follow that logic then infertile couples would not provide that benefit. The Gruntled Center blog regularly and thoughfully posts on marriage issues (the blogger is a Christian, Democrat who happens to teach Sociology). For better or worse our governmental view of marriage is intertwined with our traditional "Judeo-Christian" view of marriage. They ARE separate issues. Having said that I've seen thoughtful pieces on "why not for gay marriage" that have nothing to do with religion.

Posted by: C3 at November 22, 2006 05:13 PM

Admittedly, the religion-based objections do make the most noise/get the most attention. Which doesn't make them the only arguments, or even the best ones -- but does make it all too easy to fall into the trap of addressing them to the exclusion of the others. Thanks for reminding me (and others) that there are other reasons out there.

Posted by: wj at November 22, 2006 06:06 PM
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