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July 17, 2006Military ProselytizationA number of people have suggested that the Bush Administration is more moderate than normally portrayed and that it is, indeed, not in thrall to the Religious Right. I take the opposite view--that even though the Administration does not publically support all of the Religious Right agenda, it has established a zeitgest in which the Religious Right knows it can push the envelope without any fear of resistance. This is most apparent in the flap over Christian proselytizing at the military academies. Finally, as this Washinton Post article shows, someone is fighting back. I'm sure that people will criticize Weinstein for "granstanding" or being a self-promoter. Maybe he is. But this seems like a real problem. My point about the administration is that it's hard to envision this proselytizing movement advancing this far in a Gore or Kerry Administration. The military has always been a fairly insular institution and, certainly, it has never been particularly welcoming to non-Christians. (In Tom Wolfe's "The Right Stuff" he describes how, in the 50s military, there were distintions even within Christianity in terms of which denominations were more socially acceptable and tended to have people in the higher ranks.) And, of course, there have never traditionally been a lot of non-Christians in the military. Still, the idea that conservative Christian chaplains see it as their right to push their religion in an institution that, to my mind, should be absolutely neutral about religion, shows something about the in-roads that the Religious Right has made during this administration. No, Bush doesn't push the Right's agenda in public, but he sure doesn't prevent it from flourishing. Posted by MW Schneider at July 17, 2006 11:31 AMComments
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I would also caution more investigation of the details before assuming that all of Weinstein's allegations are true. The Air Force is responding that after last year's report, it has remedied the problems, and the attitude and tone of the Academy are different now. In the Washington Post article cited, Weinstein does not directly address that claim, as far as I could see. Posted by: PatHMV at July 17, 2006 12:24 PMMy point about the administration is that it's hard to envision this proselytizing movement advancing this far in a Gore or Kerry Administration. But it mostly advanced that far under the Clinton Administration, Marc, and in that one particular place cited, the Air Force Academy. It all coincided with the massive expansion of evangelical "immigration" to Colorado Springs during the 80's and 90's, and the rise of the massive evangelical churches there, crowding out the smaller churches. It's been a real problem there, but it's not the "acadamies" where it's endedmic, but that one academy, in close proximity to the gargantuan evangelical churches of Jesusland, er, I mean, Colorado Springs. And it's not the chaplains that pushed it (the AFA chaplain was one of the spurs to the investigation, IIRC) but one particular general and his hand-picked subordinates, all members of one of those massive churches. Brigadier General Johnny Weida, AFA commandant of cadets. After the investigation last year, he was removed from the promotions list and transferred to head a "supply" command in Ohio. I guess Thule was already taken. :-) I'm sure we can be thankful that West Point is not next to Six Flags Over Jesus, er, I mean Oral Roberts University in Tulsa. But it's hardly the systemic problem that you allege it to be. OCF has 14K folks in uniform. There are 1.4 million active-duty military. How is 1% in a fellowship club so threatening? I bet even money we have more Masons in the military than that. Posted by: Tully at July 17, 2006 12:39 PMI wholeheartedly agree that it's absolutely inappropriate for superior officers to spearhead any effort that smacks of proseltyzing. It's a VERY BAD IDEA. And I also agree that such efforts don't necessarily reflect directly on President Bush moreso than, say, other Presidents. We can watch what he does and report on that. And when we do so, we can try to sketch an overall picture. that's much better than cherrypicking his most objectionable actions. My opinion, and mine only, is that Bush is pretty conservative socially, and looks for ways to please socons, but that he's not a big fan of in-your-face socon thumpers. So he looks for symbolic ways to please them, but ones that are the least likely to cause him big pain by overtly offend the less socially conservative among us. In other words, I think he sympathizes with socons to a fair extend, but his priorities are fairly different. He's really not that much of an old testament fire-breather, for both for personal reasons of temperament, and job-related reasons of practicality. Posted by: bk at July 17, 2006 01:12 PMPat, I don't think the president himself is directly responsible for everything that goes on throughout the government. But I think it's a bit naive to think that the proselytization is going on in opposition to Bush's desires. If he was against it, it would stop. I assume that Bush himself does not necessarily embrace everything the Religious Right advocates, but the president essentially sets the tone for what goes on throughout the administration. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush now sought to stop the proselytization now that it has come to light because it works against his political need to at least appear moderate. But I think the overall tone of the Administration is one that makes the Religious Right believe that activities like this will be tolerated if not openly applauded. Tully, You might be correct that it began advancing under Clinton, but it's hard for me to believe that Gore or Kerry wouldn't have moved faster to stop it--if for no other reason that it would offend their political base. I obviously don't know how much, if any, of a problem this is at the other academies or in the military itself but I suspect that once it gains a foothold at the AFA, the proselytizers are not likely to stop. As for it being a systemic problem, it probably isn't, but that's not the point. If we were to find that Aryan Nation, for example, had an inroads of 1% of the military, I think we would consider that a problem. (And, no, I am not comparing the proselytizers to Aryan Nation--clearly, the latter is more of a danger than the former.) Look, I'm not someone that normally makes a big deal about stuff like this. I grew up Jewish in the South and pretty much accepted that there were times when Christianity would be pushed. But, I think it's a problem when a military institution is effectively conferring a special status on one particular type of religious belief and showing little regard for the feelings of others. Yes, Christians have free speech rights, but in the context of the military, they don't have the right, in my opinion, to push their agenda on others. Posted by: Marc at July 17, 2006 01:36 PMI read something the other day about Aryan Nation inroads in the military, and they do believe it to be about 1/2% Posted by: Dan at July 17, 2006 01:44 PMDan, I find that extremely disturbing. Brian, To me, it's not that important whether the president is personally moderate or conservative on religious issues. The question is what kind of tone does he set. In my mind, he has set a tone that implicitly encourages the idea that pushing Christianity is ok. Maybe Bush doesn't personally believe in that, but he has certainly NOT made that clear. I tend to agree that is probably not an in-your-face kind of proselytizer personally. He certainly has a lot of Jewish advisers and I have no reason to think that he has any problems with Jews. But he isn't about to incur the wrath of the Religious Right by putting a stop to their proselytizing activities. I suspect he would prefer that they not do it, but the tone has been set. And, while he hasn't given them EVERYTHING they wanted, he has endorsed a constitutional amendment effectively banning gay marriage. Granted, he hasn't pushed hard for it, but I think endorsement by the president is a lot more than neutrality. He certainly hasn't spoken out for the idea that aggressive religion is inappropriate in public settings. Posted by: Marc at July 17, 2006 02:53 PMLOL. Despite that disclaimer, you ARE comparing evangelical Christians to Aryan Nations, quite directly, by using one as a cross-example for the other. "I'm not comparing Bush to Hitler--the latter is clearly more dangerous--but if Bush were Hitler, wouldn't that be worrisome?" You might be correct that it began advancing under Clinton, but it's hard for me to believe that Gore or Kerry wouldn't have moved faster to stop it--if for no other reason that it would offend their political base. I obviously don't know how much, if any, of a problem this is at the other academies or in the military itself but I suspect that once it gains a foothold at the AFA, the proselytizers are not likely to stop. But it was stopped. Reported, investigated as soon as reported, the officer responsible given a "punishment" transfer for dumb-ass behavior after being cleared of all criminal charges, his advancement ended, the practices banned, "sensitivity training" instituted not just at the Academy but across the entire Air Force. How much quicker do you believe "they" should have moved? Before it was reported, when they didn't know about it? Before an investigation into the allegations? How much harder should they have acted? Shot every Zoomie who professed any evangelical religious beliefs? BTW, that investigation cleared Weida of all charges against him, yet you are clearly laying all those charges back on him without mentioning that little tidbit. The investigation found the biggest problem to be the bullying of non-evangelical cadets by evangelical cadets. Weida acknowledged that his communications with evangelical cadets were inappropriate and contributed to the problem. The two specific instances cited were his sending out a notification of National Prayer Day, and saying in an address "...you are accountable first to your God, this great nation, our great Air Force, our Air Force Academy, and lastly your teammates." You can read that official communication here. He was admonishing cadets to follow the new sexual harrassment guidelines. Read the whole thing. IOW, he indirectly gave the evangelical cadets the impression they were favored though a few instances of his own faith leaking into official communications, and through off-time discussions of faith with evangelical cadets. Whoa! Get a rope! But, I think it's a problem when a military institution is effectively conferring a special status on one particular type of religious belief and showing little regard for the feelings of others. I agree--except that's an active misrepresentation of what actually happened. It was not the "institution" conferring any status. It was a high-ranking officer who may have favored cadets of his own beliefs, which cadets in turn got excessively obnoxious with those not of those beliefs. And better check your tenses. It's a settled issue, dealt with already. See above. Posted by: Tully at July 17, 2006 02:55 PMIf he was against it, it would stop.Just like national security leaks have stopped? Just like Latino or Arryan gangs in Army units have stopped? The President is, even over the military, far from all-powerful. Yes, he can stop anything he wants to, but only at a cost. He's in the middle of fighting a war, after all, and has been since Sept. 11, 2001. There hasn't been that much national outcry over this, as the national press has generally preferred to focus on inconsequentials like the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit, rather than substantive abuses of the establishment clause. I imagine that the problems at the Air Force Academy have barely captured the attention of Secretary Rumsfeld, much less the President. I really don't think that a Democratic administration would bother with this either until it became more of a public distraction. Heck, President Clinton let a general get away with publicly calling the commander in chief a "pot-smoking draft dodger". Me, I thought at the time the general should have been court-martialed. The Democrats, the last couple of times they've held the presidency, have pretty much left the military alone, except for symbolic orders like "don't ask, don't tell". Arguing about the "tone" is a waste of time. Would evangelicals felt more restrained under a Gore or Kerry administration? Perhaps. Or perhaps they would have felt it even more necessary to push their message. We could argue how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, too, with the same impact. Part of the point I'm trying to make is that by linking your attack on something clearly wrong with a broader attack on the Bush administration in general is that the discussion gets sidetracked (like this one has) from the clearly wrong thing to something much less clear. By intermixing the two, the message of the evils of the alleged activities gets lost in a sea of partisanship. Posted by: PatHMV at July 17, 2006 03:00 PMAlso, I would blame a large part of the blame for any "tone" of the administration on its critics and the media who parrot their attacks. How many times has the President had Islamic leaders to the White House? Celebrated Ramadan at the White House? Called on respect for all religions? Plenty. But how often are they reported? Not much. And how often are they reported without the addition of phrases like "President Bush, trying to rebut charges that he's a vicious evangelical Christian, issued a rare invitation to a few token non-Christians to attend a White House ceremony today"? If you want to charge the President with setting the wrong tone, you must show what, exactly, the President did to set that tone. Posted by: PatHMV at July 17, 2006 03:05 PMBy the way, if Weinstein wants to be taken seriously, he really shouldn't be accepting allies like Joe Wilson... Posted by: PatHMV at July 17, 2006 03:08 PMAs the blog's token Academy graduate, I can say that when details of the Air Force Academy incident emerged, it stunned me and my West Point classmates. I can't speak authoritatively about what's going on at USMA these days, but during my four-plus years there, the things that occured at USAFA under BG Weida would have been absolutely unheard of. Of course, as Tully notes, we weren't outside Colorado Springs and, most importantly, we didn't have an evangelical proselytizer for Commandant of the Corps of Cadets (then-BG John Abizaid is Roman Catholic, or at least his wife and daughter are, as was his predecessor, then-BG Robert St. Onge). And that's really the important thing to keep in mind here. Far from the military having a deliberate, concerted effort to proselytize its ranks (which is the impression I get from the lead post), this was and is a case of a group of (unsanctioned) overzealous officers who managed to get into positions of influence from which they could wreak havoc on the Air Force Academy. This is not something that is rampant across the military; it is in isolated incident, and though there are undoubtedly others out there, this is not a systemic problem of any sort. If you read through the article, you may find yourself asking exactly what Weinstein wants stopped. We know that Air Force Academy has already changed out its leadership and has made internal changes to prevent this sort of thing from taking hold again. We know that he finds the mission statement of OCF troubling, especially at a time when we're engaged in Muslim countries (and he makes a good point about that); but no one is going to agree to dismantle that organization and tell evangelical Christians that they cannot associate with one another. Like homosexuals parading in public or women walking down the street in halter tops, this is one of those side effects of "freedom" that we're not going to be able to stop just to please the Islamist propaganda. Ultimately, it comes down to evangelicals wanting to "guarantee" a Christian chaplain's "right" to pray in the name of Jesus Christ; while this is an important debate, it hardly constitutes proselytizing, and using that kind of over-the-top rhetoric isn't helpful to the matter at hand. I'm not saying there aren't occasional incidents like these that spring up from time to time in the Army. I am saying that it's been going on for a long time, and will probably always do so because we can't really do much about it until someone does something stupid (like BG Weida). Laying this at the feet of the President-- whether Bush, Clinton, or anyone else-- is the height of absurdity to me. Posted by: Bobby at July 17, 2006 03:24 PMJust one comment re Tully. I considered using an analogy about Hitler that Ian Kershaw used in his biography about people "working toward the Fuhrer" without him having to tell them directly. I didn't use it because I knew people would say I was comparing Bush to Hitler. (And, by the way, I posted a comment on the New Republic site explicitly arguing against comparing Bush to Hitler.)I'm not comparing the evangelicals to Aryan Nation at all. I thought I made it very clear that I did not consider the evangelicals on a par with Aryan Nation. I was only making the point that 1% of something disagreeable would be a cause of alarm It seems as if you can't make any comment on this blog that even implies something negative about Bush or conservatives without being attacked as saying something you didn't say, as if you are deconstructing my actual intentions. Posted by: Marc at July 17, 2006 04:05 PMHave it your way, Marc. My original 1% comment was directed at WaPo (and Weinstein's) use of OCF's existence as some kind of vague implicatory scare tactic. "Good Heavens, there's CHRISTIANS in the military!" I don't find OCF in the least troublesme, any more than I find Masons in the military troublesome. Or skeet-ballers. Which is why I ran the numbers. You responded to that number by using Aryan Nations as an example. If we were to find that Aryan Nation, for example, had an inroads of 1% of the military, I think we would consider that a problem. Well, duh. Do you find a Christian fellowship club of military membership to be a serious problem, or evidence of something? Anything? Does that have anything at all to do with OCF, or did it just come to you out of the blue, and the 1% comparison was just a coincidence? If that's not a comparison, what point were you making? It seems as if you can't make any comment on this blog that even implies something negative about Bush or conservatives without being attacked as saying something you didn't say, as if you are deconstructing my actual intentions. Your intentions are your own, but...YOU offered the subject matter. YOU advanced the claim that there was a major problem with ongoing evangelical proselytizing in the military. YOU laid it on "conservative chaplains" (a chaplain reported the problem at the AFA, none were involved in it, according to the investigation--your comment about "conservative chaplains" is entirely unsupported by the available evidence). YOU took a troublesome affair at one academy, one that has been addressed and resolved, and applied it as both claim and evidence that there was a widespread proselytization problem ongoing in the military--which you blamed on Bush. But this seems like a real problem. My point about the administration is that it's hard to envision this proselytizing movement advancing this far in a Gore or Kerry Administration....that conservative Christian chaplains see it as their right to push their religion in an institution that, to my mind, should be absolutely neutral about religion, shows something about the in-roads that the Religious Right has made during this administration. No, Bush doesn't push the Right's agenda in public, but he sure doesn't prevent it from flourishing. Those are your words, aren't they? Did I misrepresent them in any way? Examination of the claims shows that the problem claimed simply hasn't been shown to exist, save for the single incident from which you (and WaPo, and Wienstein) extrapolated it. Disagreeing with you by factually debunking spurious and overblown accusations against the US military does not make one an admin pimp. If you can't defend your own claims with facts, don't shovel off that debunking as a machination of the Evil Other. You made the claims, but couldn't even remotely make the case. That's not my fault. Posted by: Tully at July 17, 2006 05:36 PMMy mind turned off when I got to this paragraph The guest of honor at the party in Arlington is Joe Wilson, a career diplomat whose criticism of the Bush administration's rationale for war in Iraq led to the unmasking of his wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA officer and, ultimately, to perjury charges against I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff.. I'd echo Tully's sentiment that the AFA is in a unique location. I've not heard of similar situations at West Point nor Annapolis. Posted by: c3 at July 17, 2006 09:25 PMAdditional comment: One of the key figures in the complaints: football coach Fisher Debarry has been at the AFA for several administrations. For a long time he's been very open about his Christian beliefs. He also has a near-terminal case of foot in mouth disease as this story would indicate. Now for real priorities we should note he is the winningest coach in service academy history with an overall record of 161-94-1. He has led 17 teams to winning seasons and 12 have captured bowl titles.The Bobby Knight phenomenom. Posted by: c3 at July 17, 2006 09:36 PM From the 2005 report: The team discovered or was shown evidence of concern over religious issues that date to the mid-1990s. In a 1994 USAFA Report on Respect and Dignity prepared for the then Superintendent, a concern was raised regarding “notoriously fundamentalist Christian speakers.” Additionally, one faculty member interviewed by the team presented a syllabus from 1994-95 that included a Bible verse and a statement that cadets would learn “awe and respect for the creator of the universe.” The same individual related discussions from the same timeframe when he had expressed concern over what he considered proselytizing by the Christian Leadership Ministries (CLM is a part of Campus Crusade for Christ that ministers to university faculty worldwide). This indicates that the issue of religious influence at USAFA is not new.So we see that the beginnings of the trend toward inappropriate fundamentalism began smack-dab in the middle of the Clinton administration. Then, according to the report commissioned by the Secretary of the Air Force on May 2, 2005 a new Commandant was appointed in April, 2003. The bulk of the problems leading to the investigation occured during late 2003 and 2004. In the meantime, while inappropriate actions were being taken, official policies were being adopted clearly stating appropriate principles of tolerance and non-evangelism. A survey of cadets conducted in the fall of 2004 reflected improvements in religious tolerance from 2002, but with definite improvement still needed. In November and December 2004, the USAFA leadership began significant training efforts to teach the proper approach to religion expected of teachers and officers at the Academy. So what we have is a problem which began during the Clinton Administration, improved during early days of the Bush Administration (from 2002 to 2004) and then, when a church-state separation advocacy group issued a report in April 2005, was immediately addressed by a high-level review ordered on May 2, 2005. And you use this as evidence of a bad environment fostered by President Bush? Posted by: PatHMV at July 17, 2006 10:15 PMIt doesn't matter when it started...It needs to be stopped! Posted by: rob at July 18, 2006 11:06 AMIt was stopped. It's been stopped for quite a while, now. Posted by: BrianOfAtlanta at July 18, 2006 11:29 AMrob, we all agreed it needed to be stopped. That wasn't the point of Marc's post. His point was that this practice was "flourishing" under the Bush Administration because of some amorphous "zeitgeist" established by President Bush allowing the Religious Right to run rampant "without any fear of resistance". The timeline shows that claim to be false. Posted by: PatHMV at July 18, 2006 11:51 AMYou all made some good arguments. The proselytizers have been running around for quite a while before Bush. With respect to Tully, I'm not sure why you are so upset about my rejoinder. I did not intend to say that religious conservatives and Aryan Nation are equally bad. I did read an article recently about the influence of Aryan Nation in the military and I used that analogy simply to counter the argument that 1% was insignificant. It may have been a poor choice of words or bad argument, but that's all I meant. Posted by: Marc at July 19, 2006 10:02 AMWhy is it that followers of Jesus Christ gravitate to a military lifestyle??? The more appropriate phrase should remove the claim to being religous. 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