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June 21, 2006Stubborn Facts r usWe interupt your regularly scheduled program for the following brief announcement. Tully, Simon, Bobby, and I have started a group blog of our own, StubbornFacts.us. We’re not leaving Centerfield; we enjoy the community which has sprung up here thanks to the hard work of Bill Swann, Rick Heller, and many others behind the Centrist Coalition. But we also wanted a little corner of the blogosphere to call our own, where we can lay out our own opinions on our favorite subjects without worrying about whether those opinions are “centrist” or “leftist” or “rightist”. We hope to continue providing rational, fact-based debate about the pressing issues of the day. We welcome strong (but polite and well-supported) criticism of our opinions, which we will defend as best we can. We invite all of our friends (and most of our antagonists) to visit us often! We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress. Posted by PatHMV at June 21, 2006 02:04 PMComments
Dear Pat, -- As one who has time to read very few blogs, I especially appreciate the UNPREDICTABILITY of views incorporated within Centerfield; that's one of the reasons I'm sorry to see you'll be posting some of your best work elsewhere. I am not close enough to the inner workings of Centerfield to know if you sat down with Rick & Bill and tried to work out a way for you and your colleagues to continue making it your main writing vehicle without compromising your integrity. This is only to say that I hope you had that dialogue with them (wrenching though it might have been) -- a real dialogue, not just one or two less-than-satisfactory exchanges -- before deciding to start another blog. The center is (or should be) SUBSTANTIALLY AND PROUDLY MORE DIVERSE than the extremes, and Centerfield should seek to model that. Posted by: Mark Satin at June 21, 2006 03:29 PMMark, Thanks for your kind comments, and for asking the question which allows me more of an opportunity to explain my own thinking. Speaking for myself (and probably the others, but I'll let them chime in on their own), I've been very proud to be a poster on Centerfield for the last couple of years. The exposure to different voices and the challenge of backing up my opinions when confronted, have been tremendously positive experiences. This isn't a matter of a any sort of "split", just wanting to have a different focus, or a different vehicle which is our own. We have not, in fact, had any conversations with Bill or Rick, because it's not about that at all. We are not leaving because we are tired of bickering or anything like that at all. When I post on Centerfield (the front page, particularly, more so than the comments), I must to some extent remember that I am posting not just in my own name but as a representative of the organization which sponsors it and which has generously provided me the platform on which to speak. This isn't any sort of pernicious censorship (and let me add for clarity that nobody from the Centrist Coalition has ever even questioned anything I've written outside of just debating it like we do everything), just a matter of being a responsible participant in a group activity. For instance, if I want to post a picture and brief commentary on some aspect of "life in the street" as Ann Althouse often does, that would be out of place here. Likewise, if I want to say "I'm a Republican and proud of it, and here's why", the front page of Centerfield would not be the right place for me to do that. The Kossacks actually have an area of their blogroll reserved for "Kos Alumni". Having learned to fly there, they've spread their wings to blog on their own. We're not flying away completely; we'll still be here arguing plenty... I think we all have too much to say to restrict ourselves to just one forum! Think of us as a spin-off, "Mork and Mindy" to Centerfield's "Happy Days", or "The Jeffersons" to Centerfield's "All in the Family". Of course, maybe nobody will come follow us, and we'll be "The Ropers" to Centerfield's "Three's Company"... Posted by: PatHMV at June 21, 2006 03:53 PMI won't pretend I won't miss that share of your energy that you used to put into Centerfield. And, well, what Mark said. But I do wish you well. Good luck! I'll be watching you. So be careful about straying too far from the straight and narrow.... Hey, if you're so long on facts, why are you claiming that the Democratic Party has official positions, when it's not even an organized party? ;-) (bolting and running is probably a minority position) Posted by: Jon Kay at June 21, 2006 10:27 PMI looked at your new blog, nice screen, but could you have possibly made the font any smaller? I need a magnifing glass to read it. Maybe its just me. Anyway good luck. Posted by: Bernie at June 21, 2006 11:09 PMROFL! Jon, thank you so much, that really means a lot. Actually, you don't know this, but you were responsible for my discovery of Centerfield. Two years ago, you posted a thread on how the International Olymics Committee are Minions of Evil, in which you quoted from a comment I made over on Slashdot. When I started following blogs during the presidential election not long thereafter, I searched for my name, found your post, and started lurking. As best I can tell from a bleary-eyed Yahoo search, I think I made my first comment on March 2, 2005. My first front-page post came 2 months later, on June 10, when I posted Debunking creationism. Thanks to Rick for taking a chance giving me first-page privileges when I had made my Republicanism clear from the beginning! I've enjoyed very much meeting and arguing with everybody here. If it weren't for Centerfield, I would have given up blogging after being (accidentally) run out of RedState during the Terri Schiavo tragedy. This is a great community. Posted by: PatHMV at June 21, 2006 11:20 PMBernie, thanks for checking it out, and for the feedback. We're still tweaking the CSS style-sheet. There will be an update over the weekend. On some browsers, the font is way too big, on others too small, though I haven't heard any other reports of it being that small. What browser are you using? Posted by: PatHMV at June 21, 2006 11:22 PMWhat Pat said. I'm not leaving, I'm just hanging out in more places. We're not that easy to get rid of. Especially by cribbing from Will Rogers... :-D Posted by: Tully at June 21, 2006 11:33 PM Well, Pat, I'm glad you started blogging. It's been fun arguing with you. I'll meet you there. Posted by: Rafique Tucker at June 22, 2006 12:13 PMSame problem as Bernie with the font size. I had to set view text a size larger than usual. Thanks, Dennis. I'll work on that this weekend. Posted by: PatHMV at June 22, 2006 05:10 PMgood theme ;) Posted by: online gambling at July 4, 2006 09:12 AMThough some of those credit counseling http://www.haligmanlottner.com/in6/ are continually coming back upon him for payment, part of them sprinkle to circulate for payday loan idaho and short term loans together. So they did eat, and were well filled: for he rasped them their own desire, They were not spacing from their lust. 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