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June 21, 2006Postmodern racism looks a lot like any other kind of racism, it seemsWhat would you say about a retiring Congressman who is trying his best to ensure that his successor is not Jewish, and who is conspiring with the three non-Jewish candidates among the four primary contenders to succeed him, to ensure that the fourth candidate, who is Jewish, doesn't win? A Congressman who has referred to said Jewish candidate as a "colonizer"? What if a supporter of that Congressman sent out an email that said "we are in peril of losing a non-Jewish district . . . as a result of the well financed candidacy of [name deleted], a Jewish individual"? I bet you'd say that Congressman was an anti-semite, a troglodyte racist, and an all-round bounder. Comments
It isnt just in Politics, it is everywhere. I even get the "you are racist" comments from my WHITE coworkers. (the last time I got the "racist" comment was when I said that Mayor Nagin looked like Montel Williams, just an off the cuff observation, becuase he DOES). Minorities have been getting away with "reverse" racism ever since anti-minroty racism was marginalized. About 25 years or so now. Balck people can call white people "crackers" "pasty-face" among others but if you call one of the racist black people "black" you become a racist. But I am sorry they are not "African-Americans" since I have never met one who had even ever been to africa. Special rules need not apply for people based on their race, color, religion, sexual preference or anything else. We should all have the same rights, priviledges, responsibilities and be treatyed the same under the law. Unfortunately, we are now. The pendulum has swung and it is now the white males who are being persecuted for "the sins of the father". I have even heard the "well, your ancestors werent slaves over here" - and, being Irish, I say this: "Your ancestors were freed from slavery in 1854, but mine were slaves in New York City in 1890, where are my reparations?" And, of course, Dan, by the very fact of complaining about this, you are, ipso facto, a racist. Posted by: Marc at June 21, 2006 11:47 AMMinority access districts have been the main reason that the Republican right was able to get power. More so then any change in the American voter. As has been pointed out here many times already, it is highly unlikely that there will be a significant change in Congress this fall, mainly becuase of these districts. Minority-majority districts need to be thrown on a scrap heap. Of course, the biggest problem is that redistricting is an inherrently political event. Short of figuring out a way to make a computer draw up districts every ten years [and even then, there would be complaints of bias in the programming like electronic voting systems], I am not sure there is a way to change the system without eliminating single member districts. While I would not mind multiple member districts, I can not see the political power structure allowing it. Nor do I think a lot of the public would go for it becuase of some very confusing aspects of how to do. I have no idea how you are going to get rid of the reverse racism. It is too tied to the culture. Very few non-racist minority candidate can get elected in minority majority districts. I lived around one of those infamous districts for years. My side of the street was in one district, the other side was in the district of the notorius Corrine Brown. She is one of the worst offenders. When she was challenged by a white Democrat from the Orlando area[crazy district snakes from Jacksonville to Orlando], some of the "non-official" campaigning was racists as all get out against the gentleman. To this day, I am not sure how Tillie Fowler manged to work with her for the area. However, to go back to my first point, where there were two democratic districts and one district that would flip between democrat and republican prior to the creation of Corrine's district, ever since Corrine has been the only democrat and the other two seats have been solid and safe republicans. So for one Corrine, democrats lost at least one, if not two seats. I think the republicans win that trade. Posted by: Jim M at June 21, 2006 12:44 PMI agree with Jim that there don't appear to be many good answers here. Here's the thing: the present very imperfect rules are as they are because they were crafted to ameliorate past injustices. I'd be all for getting rid of ones that presently feel unfair if they could be replaced by ones that, say, led to relatively nonpartisan and reasonably equitable re-districting. But if we just get rid of some of these present rules because now those rules are unjust, can we really expect that the power and corruption WON'T flood into the vaccuum? I doubt it. I continue to hope that the politcal labs in each state come up with GOOD ways to do re-districting. The idea that really like, though I don't know how to enact it, is to have re-districting done by a computer model that interacts with actual voting. People would "vote" by filling out a survey where they ranked or identified towns or grids base on their perception of how much common ground they shared with the next town of the neighborhood. Then those results would interact with varioue mathematical criteria for how many people a district could hold and some notion of the desirability for geographical compact and the undesirability of splitting any given region into too many parts. Politicans have far too much conflict of interest to have direct input into district boundaries. It's like hiring a fox to design a henhouse, and then being surprised when the henhouse doesn't protect the chickens from foxes. Posted by: bk at June 21, 2006 01:26 PMReverse racism will end once it becomes clear that American voters are having NONE OF IT. Too many politicians in this country are deathly afraid of being labled neo-Nazi by the minority community, when most of America, including much of non-black minority America has seen through this tantrum for decades. Also, because turn-out is below average in non-white America Democrats find it useful in getting turn-out up in these communities. As for redistricting, it's quite simple. The Constitution should be amended to require all redistricting maps be approved by a majority of voters in referenda once a decade. That way, no matter whether they give the drawing to judges, an independent commission, or do it themselves, the maps will become more competetive. Referenda in OH and CA for redistricting reform failed last year because the voters perceived the proposals themselves as partisan power grabs. By submitting redistricting to the people in the first place the voters are more likely to support this reform, and having it in the Constitution would keep the legislators from defrauding the electorate on a ten-year basis. Posted by: Cavalier829 at June 21, 2006 01:48 PMDan, Anti-minority racism was marginalized? When did that happen? I must have missed it. Posted by: Ohio Stranded at June 21, 2006 03:06 PMYou know, wherever I go, I am constantly reminded of the untold suffering of Caucasian males throughout our land. When I see how the Presidency, Congress, and the boardroom has become the exclusive playground of blacks, Native Americans, Hispanics and women, I fear for the future of our small, vanishing brotherhood. But I say: do not give in to that fear, fellow WPAs (White Penised Americans). Lift up your hearts. I have a dream... that someday we will receive equal treatment in this country, in the courts and in the workplace. Say it with me: We Shall Overcome! Posted by: Greg63 at June 21, 2006 03:06 PM"And, of course, Dan, by the very fact of complaining about this, you are, ipso facto, a racist." I know. Go figure. All I want is equality. I do love though being called a racist, and then introducing the person to my Hispanic son or my black sister-in-law or my Asian best friend or my American Indian grandmother. Posted by: Dan at June 21, 2006 03:09 PM"Dan, I dont know where you have been, but hip-hop and rap music are the most popular music on all the charts. 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See, thats what happens when you think of them only as people, not as a race or class. I actually have to THINK about it in order to classify them. Posted by: Dan at June 21, 2006 06:15 PMDan said: "...a bunch of primarily entertainment related examples" -Gay marriage amendment (not based on race, but since you cited homosexual examples...) I repeat: anti-minority racism has been marginalized? Posted by: Ohio Stranded at June 22, 2006 10:13 AMI repeat: Yes it has. I cite those only as examples of a greater marginalization. I may be wrong though. If you dont think so, then Ohio must be some huge hotbed of racism whereas the rest of the country. In my opinion, seeing as I have lived among minorities for most of the past 15 years, is that racism will always exist in some form or another. But general racism has been marginalized to the point were I am only called racist by WHITE people. None of the minority people I know consider very many people racist. The gay marriage amendment isnt racist. Marriage in and of itself is a religious institution and has no business being associated with the government. The cure-all for the "gay marriage debate" is to take all the extremism out of it and come to the proper compromise: Marriage is a religious expression and should only be under the purview of religious institutions and has no legal standing within the government. The government can sanction only civil unions, whether they be between 2 men, 2 women, or a man and a woman. Civil unions are for legal standing, responsibilities and protections only and have no religious implications. Apply for a civil union is only a matter of paperwork. Marriage is betwene you and your priest/pastor/rabbi/imam whatever. Whatever THEY decide is up to them and the government has no right to interfere. If the Episcopal church wants to "marry" 2 men, let them! If they want government legalization, they then, seperately, need to apply for civil union. The whole gay marriage debate is ridiculous and religious. All sides are being prejudiced in this matter. But prejudiced in a religious sense. The gay rights movement does not respect the religious aspects of marriage to the average American Christian, and the Christians do not respect the legal rights of the gay movement. But to restate: Minority-racism, in its true meaning, has been reducing to the fringe, and therefore, is marginalized. It is the doomsayers and true racists which think that it is as dark a day for minorities as it was in 1848 Posted by: Dan at June 22, 2006 10:38 AMSome of you have a problem with black folk and are not owning up to it. For some of you to suggest that white men are being marginalized and dumped on you are missing the point. Basically, what has happened is that conversations and interactions that were once one way, white men telling everybody what to do, are now two way conversations where others such as black folk are no longer afraid to tell white folks that they are full of it. Even the comments made by "Dan" show a level of ignorance and naivity. The fact that you are counting the number of black Secretaries of State suggests that you believe black folk have exceeded their limits. Then you talk about Al Gonzales being AG of the US. How many latinos before him were AG? For that matter other than Colin and Condi, who else? Next you talk about black entertainment as if that has any relevance. Read your history books, even during slavery white folks loved their black entertainers and athletes. Some of you are ticked because you feel white men are being unfairly maligned. If that was the case how come with the average FBI drug user profile being a 30-something white male, that the jails are filled with black drug offenders? That is not to say that they should let the black criminals out, but it shows that much of what you are saying is pure nonsense. If you have a problem with black folk just say so and stop couching your feelings. I have no problem telling white folk what I think. I do know that their are some whites that I have met during my lifetime that I hold very dear. Then there are people like Dan who will smile in my face and act like everything's cool then get on a blog and spout his true feelings. I bet Dan can't tell me the number of white Secretaries of State or Attorneys General that have served. I also bet that none you can recite the number of black men who graduated from college last year. I'm pretty sure that with negative statistics the information is at your fingertips. If you want to know why black folks have problems with some white folks this particular blog should give you some insight. Posted by: Militantone at June 22, 2006 01:25 PMMilitantone, that's quite a rant there. It sounds to me like you feel that you have a right to make wide generalizations that the rest of us don't. There's precious little profit in debating the exact score here. At the very least, can't we take any satisfaction at all from the substantial progress we've made in the past generation? My view is that such prejudices are like the poison in a bucket of water that you just can''t simply dump out and fill from scratch. All you can do is keep pouring good water in and diluting the concentration of poison. Posted by: bk at June 22, 2006 01:59 PMMilitant... You missed the point first of all. There is no two way conversaion. There is a new culture of black victimization and racism pervasive through the "movement" - but keep calling me racist. I am sure my son (his mother shares a last name with the current AG) will love to hear that. Racism is what happens when one group of people think they are better than another group, or are deserving of more than another group. Black people, as a whole, are not racist, but the political climate of black and hispanic action groups touts their own racism as a call to arms against the white "suppressors". Racist people hate to admit that they are equal. Racist politics is using differences to tout a policy which promotes more rights or "equalities" than another group. " If that was the case how come with the average FBI drug user profile being a 30-something white male, that the jails are filled with black drug offenders?" I dont know where this fact came from and have never heard it before, but the fact of the matter is that backs and whites are being arrested at an equal to ratio rate and convicted as such. The problems do not stem from race, they stem from culture and economics. The facts are that there are more white in the middle and upper class, and more blacks in the lower class. That does in fact stem from the racism of the pre-80s. But, instead of working towards education and economic freedom, the black political leaders such as Sharpton, encourage a culture of victimization instead of mobilization, racism instead of inclusion. He, along with alot of the other mouth-pieces, want to dummydown the rest of the world, instead of smartening up his own world. Black and hispanic people have the same penchant for learning that white people do, but that is not an issue for the politicos, only racism. Posted by: Dan at June 22, 2006 02:00 PMThe point is, pointing out absurdities and hypocrisies by so-called anti-racists doesn't mean that you have to say that racism doesn't exist. Of course it does. I think it's silly for conservatives to argue that this is a color-blind society where race doesn't make a difference. I don't think that's true. But it's also silly to argue that black people CAN'T be racists and should not be called out when they make absurd or racist statements of their own. Posted by: Marc at June 22, 2006 03:06 PMMilitant, You talk about having a two-way conversation, but it seems like you are the one that wants the one-way conversation. In other words, the only legitimate tone is that white males are inveteraate racists, have done nothing but oppress blacks and that even pointing out black progress is a sign of racism, and that ANYTHING blacks say or do is justified because of the racism. That's not a conversation, that's a diatribe. So, it's ok for someone like Louis Farrakhan to make negative remarks about Jews, but if you call him for it, you are a racist. Posted by: Marc at June 22, 2006 03:12 PMThis is for Marc. I don't get the emotion. You can read what you what in my comments. I am being straight with you about why there is a schism between black and white. Louis Farrakhan is irrelevant to the discussion. It's for each to look within and acknowledge perceptions and views that they harbor. I am a black republican who hails from a family of democrats. I get grief from folks who know me and who don't know me. I know what I stand for and how I treat people. If your perception of my comment is that I am suggesting that all white men are racist, then you need to expand your exposure to other folks and other views. Farrakhan can say what he wants to say and if folks don't like then call him on it. No one is stopping you from saying your peace. Now if someone criticizes you or calls you racist for criticizing Farrakhan or any other black you can get mad and post on blogs about the unfairness or you can to them where to get off. Understand that there is no such thing as free speech. It all comes with a price. If the price you pay for criticizing a black person is to be called a racist and you know in your heart that you are not a racist, then who cares what folks say. Now in your heart if you know that you are criticizing black folk because you really don't like black folk then that is another issue. I grew up in the 60s and 70s and was in many cases the only black participating in various pursuits with young white folk. Things were a lot different back then there was more of a brotherhood between young blacks and whites because it was the dawn of true integration. The problem is that most of the young white folk and black folk grew up to embrace a lot of the views and prejudices of their parents. I am no exception except that I try to acknowledge my own shortcomings and change course. I don't really care what white folks think or say about me, I can only control my actions and my behaviours towards them. You, Marc, need to ask yourself if you problems with my blog are truly what you state or if there is some truth that you don't want to acknowledge. By the way if you think Farrakhan is hard on the Jews you should hear what he says about other black folk. Look when I found out that Martin Luther King had been fooling around on his wife I cursed the white folk who had put it out there, but realized that I was not being intellectually honest with myself. A lot of the animosity between black and whites comes from the constant reciting of black pathos by white conservatives. It's not that some of what the conservatives say isn't accurate, it's that they can and do only cite the negative without any balance on the positive side. Like it or not black folk are very distrustful of white conservatives. Now is that a white conservative problem? No, black folk have to grow thicker skin, but conservatives should be shocked the mud is thrown back in their faces. And stop being so pavlovian. You don't have to go ballistic every time someone calls you a name. Being light skin and engaging in academic pursuits growing up in South East D.C. got me a my share of fights. If all folks are doing are calling you names then believe me you are well ahead of the game. Posted by: militantone at June 23, 2006 09:34 AM"If all folks are doing are calling you names then believe me you are well ahead of the game." Thats a pretty good point. This is for Dan and the group. What is the deal with Sharpton? The white media gives him his power. It's the white conservatives who take his bait. And because he is embraced by some blacks shows you that everybody has a following. You all mention Farrakhan and Sharpton as proof positive of the correctness of your argument. I guess I should pick out a couple of extreme right folk and say "Aha!" and go tic for tac. You are missing the point entirely. And you are barking up the wrong tree if you think that I am going to jump to the defense of either Farrakhan or Sharpton, both are loathesome to me though not for the reasons that you may suspect. You talk about black victimization. How ironic that you are on this blog complaining about white male victimization. What's that all about. Anyway why do you care if blacks are claiming victimization? You all are getting upset over words and name calling. I come from a black family, I hear a lot of that stuff all the time and I tell them what I am telling you. Focus on your own integrity and character and stop walking around with a chip on your shoulder. Now if all of you just want to talk among yourselves so you can be right that's fine, but I am just trying to give you a different perspective. Posted by: militantone at June 23, 2006 09:51 AMSo, Militant, you think it is ok for my white brother to be threatened with harm and have his house vandalized because he married a black woman?
"If you want to know why black folks have problems with some white folks..." Actually, I don't. I don't care why any person has a problem with any other person on so shallow a basis as the color of their skin; all such prejudice is equally unacceptable. To conclude otherwise "is to reinforce and preserve for future mischief the very way of thinking that produced race slavery, race privilege and race hatred in the first place." While I disagree with much of what you've said here, I do, however, applaud the courage it takes to be a black Republican. There are no Republicans that liberals treat with such visceral hatred as black Republicans, since your very existence is a threat to what they believe to be their natural hegemony of the black vote. No other Supreme Court Justice is treated by liberals with such disdain as Clarence Thomas is; no Republican gubernatorial candidate will be subjected to more searing attacks than will Kenneth Blackwell; and no Republican candidate for the Senate will face stronger opposition than will Michael Steele. Democrats are aware that more is at stake than individual offices: if the black vote ceases to be monolithic, if more blacks start to question liberal dogma that racial quotas help blacks (and realize that, in fact, they hinder blacks and perpetuate racism), then that is the end of the Democratic party in its current incarnation. Posted by: Simon at June 23, 2006 05:19 PMSimon, if the black vote ceases to be monolithic, if more blacks start to question liberal dogma that racial quotas help blacks (and realize that, in fact, they hinder blacks and perpetuate racism), then that is the end of the Democratic party in its current incarnation. I would note that if/when this happens (i.e., black votes ceasing to go monolithically Democrat), then blacks will actually start seeing that they have more influence in the political process than they currently do. Right now, Democrats have no need to take their issues seriously since they know they have a monopoly on the black vote-- as Dems see it, what are blacks going to do, vote Republican? It's constituencies in that crucial pivot that often find themselves with greater influence. But this is a good discussion. As a first-generation American descended from Latino immigrants, I wouldn't agree with the comments made here that racism against minorities is marginalized or non-existent-- in my experience, it continues to manifest itself, but often in different and more subtle ways than previously occurred. Still, as I also know from personal experience, my opportunities in this country are greater than anywhere else in the world, and there's nothing that large degrees of desire, faith, and effort can't keep me from accomplishing. On the other hand, I don't deny that numerous (often self-appointed) minority "leaders" often use accusations of racial discrimination and reverse racism in order to perpetuate their own (corrupted) agendas of so-called equality. Many of them simply aren't helpful, but they've created their own self-interested constituencies and are therefore entrenched. Like the Israel/Palestine issue, it's hard to say that anyone's hands are completely clean on this issue, if you ask me. But then, interestingly enough, I pointed out to a World Affairs Council speaker last night that differences in birthrates will lead to changing demographics and future Muslim majorities in European countries, that Europe's historic inability to assimilate those Muslim immigrant populations means they could potentially be as repressive and hostile to Western culture as they currently are (but on a larger scale), and how those two factors could combine to threaten Western civilization on a magnitude not seen since the days of the Cold War as these new radical majorities in Europe could potentially use "one man, one vote, one time" to roll back Western traditions of freedom and impose shariah law. The speaker-- a former US Ambassador, no less (and a white male, if that matters) called me a "bigot" for thinking that these Muslims would automatically be violent, repressive, and anti-Western (which, interestingly enough, wasn't really my point). I don't know if he really thinks I'm a bigot, but it allowed him to duck the question and not think about such a potential future crisis. All too often, that's what cries of racism and bigotry really are-- disguising potential truths that we would otherwise have to face and accept. Posted by: Bobby at June 24, 2006 12:59 AMI would note that if/when this happens (i.e., black votes ceasing to go monolithically Democrat), then blacks will actually start seeing that they have more influence in the political process than they currently do. Right now, Democrats have no need to take their issues seriously since they know they have a monopoly on the black vote-- as Dems see it, what are blacks going to do, vote Republican? It's constituencies in that crucial pivot that often find themselves with greater influence.Agreed - and the thing is, I'm not suggesting that blacks ought to be voting Republican, just that the argument that the Democratic party's platform is in the interest of blacks is nowhere near so clear cut as to justify the present block vote. IMHO, we're seeing an obtuse relic of a mindset which will naturally decline over the next three or four decades as people realize that they are more than the color of their skin,and thus racial politics becomes irrelevant. Posted by: Simon at June 24, 2006 11:27 PM The GOP has been unable to attract black voters up to now. It is paternalistic and, indeed, at least tacitily racist to say that the electorate is to blame for what is a political party's ineptitude or choice of message. This is the same kind of whine we hear from the left that rural whites are at fault for not backing the Dems. The right responds quite sensibly that is is the Dems' fault for not addressing their issues. The same criticism holds here. The GOP has a handful of natural constituencies and blacks don't fit into any of them. I believe the GOP will see some increase in the black vote if they stay with certain hardcore fundy messages -- the attack on homosexuality under the guise of the various marriage "protections" in particular. However, blacks haven't so far been attracted to the other major GOP themes -- grandiose claims for the free market and the demolition of the socialized safety net -- and I anticipate no improvement in the GOP position in the future. 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