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June 27, 2005Good news from IraqChrenkoff's latest update on all the Iraq news you're not getting at 6 o'clock. Posted by Tully at June 27, 2005 10:30 AMComments
Hadn't seen this in a while. thought it had gone away. Posted by: c3 at June 27, 2005 07:48 PMUnfortunately the more sober reality does not get reported either, like British troop levels dropping from 45K to less than 10,000. Along the same lines, check out "Foot Shooting" by Callimachus at vernondent.blogspot.com. The reporting of the war greatly colors our perception of it. Posted by: kreiz at June 28, 2005 07:13 AMThose are probably the same “estimates” that claimed that tens of millions would be killed in Iraq and that it was impossible to defeat a sitting government in Afghanistan because nobody had done it in a thousand years. I would take such “estimates” with a grain of salt. It sounds like wishful thinking from folks who have been wrong on just about everything so far. Posted by: Alf at June 28, 2005 07:15 AMLOL, Alf, nicely done. Don't forget the estimated 50,000 deaths forcast in the 1991 Gulf War. 48 Senators opposed that effort, largely based on that estimate. Posted by: kreiz at June 28, 2005 08:00 AMAlso under-reported, the American soldiers who die within days from wounds received in Iraq once they are transported out of the area. Some estimates are as high as 6500 men and women. Their sacrifice is uncounted by what I consider a very ungrateful administration. Great freakin' grits, Marcus, do you ever bother to actually check out the reliability of any of the hallucinatory echo-chamber ramblings you parade around? Ever? Or does it just suit you to peddle blatant mindless raving echo-chamber lunacy? Oh, sorry. Stupid question. You've already answered that. Repeatedly. The figure of 6500 would only be possible if every single wounded soldier who was not returned to duty within 72 hours had actually been removed from theater and then died. Every. Single. One. From both the OIF (Iraq) and OEF (Afghanistan) forces. But that's not the case. Well under 1% of transported injured susbequently die of their injuries. Deaths from wounds or injuries sustained in theater are counted in the theater casualty lists. WIA/nonRTD who die of wounds received or injuries sustained, wherever they should happen to expire, are classed as "theater" deaths and are included in the theater casualty lists. I verified this by backtracking several American soldiers who were wounded in Iraq but actually died in the United States or in Landstuhl, Germany. In other words your post is an inexcusable bit of absolutely false paranoid conspiracy wingnut bullshit. Actual casualty figures are here. (PDF warning.) Current as of 10AM this morning, EDT. And they include ALL soldiers who have died of wounds received, or injuries sustained, in any of the defined combat areas, with said injuries and/or deaths atrributed to theater. REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY DIED. The OIF (Operation Iraqi Freedom) casualty figures include any and all deaths or reported injuries or wounds, combat or non-combat or accidental, sustained by any U.S. soldier that occurred on or after March 19, 2003 in the Arabian Sea, Bahrain, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Persian Gulf, Qatar, or Red Sea. The OEF (Ooperation Enduring Freedom--Afghanistan) casualty figures include any and all deaths or reported injuries or wounds, combat or non-combat or accidental, sustained by any U.S. soldier that occurred in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Guantanamo Bay (Cuba), Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Jordan, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Philippines, Seychelles, Sudan, Tajikistan, Turkey, and Yemen. Which would have taken you two minutes to track down, had you ever given a damn about finding the truth rather than spreading the manure. Posted by: Tully at June 28, 2005 11:22 AM |
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