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I'm a former Virginian, but I left when Doug Wilder was governor, so don't expect eye witness accounts from me...

Posted by: Ryan at June 27, 2005 03:05 AM

I just finished "Prince of the City" by Fred Seigel, about the Giuliani years. Seigel says Bloomberg has returned New York to many of the failed policies of the Lindsay, Koch, Dinkins era which left New York in shambles. However, Time magazine recently said he was one of the best mayors in the country, bringing economic growth to areas of NYC that needed it, and upholding some of the successful policing and welfare reforms that Rudy first implemented. I think Bloomberg has got to win because the Demcorats have failed to put up a quality candidate. Both the front runners, Virginia Fields and Freddy Ferrer, come from the race baiting, Al Sharpton/Charlie Rangel, Civil Liberties and Social Programs over everything wing of the party. I think it would have been great for the Big Apple had former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey, currently the President of the New School University in NY, gotten in the race, or even *gasp* Bill Clinton... I hope that in the future they both consider the job for the sake of common sense in the Big Apple. The city could easily go back to some very dark days with the wrong leadership, a reality that will come to fruitiion if Bloomberg loses this time around.

Posted by: Mathew at June 27, 2005 10:02 AM

Bloomberg is a true, old-fashioned moderate Republican. Not a John McCain moderate, which is really a pragmatic mainstream conservative, which is what I am, but a Rockefeller style moderate, the kind that really doesn't exist anymore outside of insular New England enclaves like Rhode Island. I'm not a big fan of Rockefeller Republicanism, and I think there's a reason it failed at the ballot box so many years ago, as it just isn't equipped to tackle many of the problems that require tough decisions, like law enforcement, balancing budgets, etc.

Rudy Giuliani was basically a new kind of conservative --- one that cuts both taxes AND spending to avoid deficits, hires MORE teachers and cops while cutting wasteful, unnecessary civil servants from the payrolls, and reforms gov't programs important to most people, like education. He respects individual rights, but is pragmatic enough to padlock porn shops in a certain part of town if he knows that crime will go down as a result. And he's tough on law and order, be it criminals or terrorists.

The only reason the nat'l GOP has a problem with Rudy is that he's a social liberal who lives like a New Yorker instead of a Southern Baptist from Alabama. His support of abortion and gay rights, combined with his various marriages and flings, make Republicans in the heartland assume that Rudy must be liberal on other issues as well, when he's really just a conservative who happens to be socially liberal and personally urbane.

In sum, I don't really care for Bloomberg, but he's still better than any Democrat in NY, so I'd support him if I were there. I really like Rudy and will spend the next three years trying to convince my Republican colleagues that he should be our man for 2008.

Posted by: Dave at June 27, 2005 11:33 AM

a Rockefeller style moderate, the kind that really doesn't exist anymore outside of insular New England enclaves like Rhode Island. I'm not a big fan of Rockefeller Republicanism

I asked this once before and I'm still in the dark. I grew up in upstate New York and Rocky was my governor from birth till his "ascendency" to VP. My memory were of fairly high taxes (though I didn't pay them but I remember my folks complaining about them), a fair number of social programs and fairly liberal social policies (prior to Roe v. Wade, lots of women came to NY for their abortions). From today's perspective Rocky would fit the Democratic Party. What about Rocky and his policies made him a Republican in more than name only. I'm not picking a fight I'm just trying to figure it out. Posted by: c3 at June 27, 2005 04:36 PM

I just ate a New York strip steak. Does that count?

Dave

Posted by: Dave at June 27, 2005 05:12 PM

C3: Prior to the realignment of the 1980s, the makeup of the two parties was very different. The GOP basically had two wings, which I call the Mommy Wing and the Daddy Wing. The former were the Rockefeller Republicans, who were pro-social prgms, willing to raise taxes to pay for them instead of running deficits, and socially liberal. The Daddy Wing were the Bob Dole Republicans sort of akin to British Tories: deficit hawks, tried to keep spending and taxes in line, tough on Communism and threats to law and order, didn't really care much about social issues like abortion. What united both wings was a distaste for the Communist bloc and a desire to keep the books balanced. Everybody else was basically a Democrat, which is why the GOP was in the majority.

The Reagan Realignment basically began the jettison of the Rockefeller wing of the party, transformed the Dole wing into the leftmost wing of the party, and invited in the disenchanted Democratic groups of neocons (low tax, domestically interested internationalists) and Reagan Democrats (low tax, socially conservative New Dealers). By increasing the scope of Republicanism from the deficit hawk, anti-Communist party to include tax cutting, social conservatism, and a grudging acceptance of the New Deal, Reagan began the 25 year realignment that culminated in today's political landscape. As such, most Rockefeller Republicans are now moderate or even liberal Democrats.

Posted by: Dave at June 27, 2005 07:41 PM

Dave;
That would suggest that in the past 25 years the Republican tent has gotten smaller. Yet its elections successes has grown. How's that work out. Has the country really shifted that much to the right?

Posted by: c3 at June 27, 2005 07:53 PM

C3: Quite the opposite actually. By replacing the Rockefeller Republicans with the original neocons (which used to mean something far more than supporters of a specific foreign policy) and the Reagan Democrats, the GOP tent actually got bigger. And the Rockefeller crew certainly stayed around in the early years of the realignment, hence Reagan's 58 percent victory in 1984. One could argue that the GOP tent has gotten smaller in the past 20 years, as we no longer have scores of Republicans like Jim Jeffords, but I would argue that those Republicans have been replaced by former Democrats like Zell Miller. Most of the evidence I see suggest there are more Republicans now than there have been since the 1920s.

And it's not that the country has moved to the right. It's more that the notions of right and left have changed over time. At one time, if you were economically populist and socially conservative, you were a moderate Democrat. Now, that same ideology puts you to the right of most old-fashioned conservatives.

FWIW, I suspect that the next realignment will begin within the next two decades, and it will start the way the last one did, with the GOP pushing out sort of the mirror image of the Reagan Democrats. As the Reagan Democrats were economically liberal, socially conservative, blue collar rural voters who left the Dems because of McGovernism, I suspect that this group of apostate Republicans will be white collar urban and suburban voters who are economically conservative and socially liberal. In other words, not unlike most Centrist Coalition members. Eventually, the Santorums and Brownbacks will force them out of the GOP, and they will wander around in the political wildnerness for awhile until a new Ronald Reagan is able to take hold of the shell of the once-great Democratic Party and define a new political ideology that will capture the views of a majority of Americans.

Posted by: Dave at June 27, 2005 11:05 PM

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

"Bloomberg, a lifelong Democrat, ran for mayor as a Republican (or Republican In Name Only), reportedly to avoid the crowded field in the Democratic primary [in the 2001 mayoral election]."

I am a New Yorker and a center-left Democrat and frankly, I can go either way in November. Bloomberg has done many good things for the city - the 2012 Olympic stadiums, education reform and crime reduction - and some bad things - property tax hikes, smoking ban, his West Side Stadium fixation - and he is not as polarizing as Rudy Giuliani. Anthony Weiner has some interesting ideas for his five-borough plan such as the Queens Olympic stadium which Bloomberg has recently accepted. Gifford Miller and C. Virginia Fields both strike me as lightweights while Fernando Ferrer is not very appealing. Despite being a vulnerable incumbent polling less than 51%, I think Bloomberg will probably still win using his money, ads, ideas/vision and Democratic advisors.

Posted by: John at July 2, 2005 01:31 AM

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