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May 25, 2004

Liberal vs. Centrist Democrats

A few rumblings of conflict are underway between the centrist faction of the Democratic party and the liberal base.

First, Markos Zuniga (aka Kos of DailyKos) tells the Democratic Leadership Council to shut down:

Time for the DLC to Die

This is a somewhat controversial suggestion to centrist Democrats, including one of the best centrist bloggers, Greg Wythe. He has a few choice words.

As Greg points out, Kos has been attacking centrist Democrats rather pointedly for many months now -- calling for the end of the DLC and The New Republic, and rejection of leading centrist Democrats like Joe Lieberman.

His justification for the organizational death penalty is that the DLC is "divisive" -- they criticize other Democrats.

Centrist Democrats are being divisive if they criticize liberal Democrats, but liberals aren't being divisive if they call for the shutdown of the biggest centrist organization in the Democratic party. There's some weird logic in there somewhere.

Posted by William Swann at May 25, 2004 11:23 AM
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Sounds like Kos is taking strategy tips from the Koran now.

Posted by: Justin at May 25, 2004 11:31 AM

No. That's not even remotely like what Kos said. To quote someone else, "Kos is comparing the NDN and the DLC. Both are centrist organizations, but Kos likes the NDN's more conciliatory approach to other factions within the party than Al From's screaming arrogance."

Posted by: Hipocrite at May 25, 2004 11:46 AM

Could you imagine the political massacre that would have occured if people like Kos and Howard Dean where to mouthpieces of the Democratic Party? Great idea... Throw away the only faction of your party that has one a national election in the last thirty years.

I agree with Greg... I have doubts about Kos's stability. Yikes...

Posted by: Mathew at May 25, 2004 12:01 PM

If Kos wrote a post saying the NDN is better than the DLC, that would be great -- a pretty mild point, I would think.

Instead, he wrote a post called "Time for the DLC to Die", including the following:

As for the DLC, it's time to euthenize the organization. Whatever role it may have played is spent. As of now, it's the single most divisive Dem-affiliated organization, refusing to play nice with others even in these desperate ABB times. As such, it deserves nothing but exclusion and ridicule.

There's some very strange logic at play here. Kos and his readers routinely attack centrist Democrats for not being liberal enough. That's a natural position for them to take -- there is a difference in ideas between their approach to government and the one centrists prefer.

Centrist Democrats, in turn, attack liberals for being too liberal.

Kos can't argue that the death penalty is in order for the DLC based on divisiveness -- not unless he wants to repudiate his own rhetoric of the last many months.

Liberals and centrists disagree. Kos has done it heatedly at times -- as pointedly as anything I've seen from Al From. Where does he get off deciding who's "divisive" and who isn't?

Posted by: William Swann at May 25, 2004 12:08 PM

A guy named Steve, who was apparently a Clark supporter, makes the point nicely in Kos's comments.

Posted by: William Swann at May 25, 2004 12:16 PM

Doesn't Kos wish! He's long on denial!

What Greg said. I'll also point out that having people annoyed at you is often a sign of success.

Posted by: Jon Kay at May 25, 2004 12:26 PM

Let's have the centrists kicked out of the Democratic Party. Let's see how many votes the "pure" Democrats would get--10 or 20? Seems I remember a "pure" Democrat named George McGovern who carried one state. I guess to the liberals that would be better than having to put up with us disgusting moderates. Of course, maybe they have it right--the Republican right wing effectively kicked out the moderates and look what happened to them! What we need are two extremist parties, one left and one right, and ignore the people in the middle, who are too wishy-washy to deserve representation.

Posted by: MWS at May 26, 2004 02:08 PM
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