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November 17, 2003What If It Went Down Like This?Maybe that Tom Clancy novel I’m reading is a bad influence. But I had a discussion with a co-worker related to Andrew Sullivan’s "fisking" of Wesley Clark, and we came to an agreement on what might well have REALLY gone down in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. So I’m wondering what anyone else thinks about this... Our feeling is that, very soon after 9/11, the Bush admin quickly decided on their response. An invasion of Afghanistan was a foregone conclusion, with the goal of the ouster of the Taliban and the destruction of as much of Al Quaeda as possible. Here's what I said to him after reading the Sullivan article which strives to make Clark look as bad a spossible
My co-worker was in absolute agreement. Now of course, I have no inside knowledge, but the scenario I describe seems pretty plausible, and, like I said, I have to admit I may well have chosen such a path. Thoughts, anyone? Posted by Brian Keegan at November 17, 2003 08:45 PMComments
Sullivan's hit piece on Clark was over-the-top. I was planning on "fisking" it myself, but I've been busy with other projects. I think Sullivan has decided he needs to carry water for the hard-right on this to make up for his liberal stance on gay rights and his concern about the deficit. It's pretty clear the Bush admininstration locked into a decision to invade Iraq pretty early, and the trip to the UN was just window dressing. It's certainly not morally wrong to have liberated the Iraqis from Saddam. But as to whether it was wise in the realpolitik sense, that is seeming increasingly less defensible. Posted by: rickheller at November 17, 2003 10:08 PMThat has been my hunch as well. If it were decided as events unfolded, there should have been a clear "we have to do it" argument, and that I never heard to my satisfaction. I also do not feel that the Iraq invasion was a "wrong" thing, but I wish that we (the American people "we") had been given a more forthright explanation of the case for war, a "we should because" kind of explanation.. There was all this debate about whether it was a necessary thing, with the administration saying it was essentially, meaning that a responible leader was required to do it in defense of the nation; in fact, it was a war we "chose" and for good reasons. The difference between "had to" and "chose to" is a very big one. When I concluded that it was a choice and that I did not have to keeping searching for some "had to" explanation that made sense, it led down a different logic path altogether. Posted by: Palindrome at November 18, 2003 12:38 AMLooks probable to me. But, I do think two other 9/11 forced the Bush administration into the Democracy promotion converted it from revenge and Note that Bush couldn't say too much about As the Bush team started talking about Iraq almost as soon as the last bombs fell in Afganistan, the decision had to have been made within a short time frame of 9/11. This was/is a war of choice and one I support while recognizing it as very risky and one which may not succeed. BTW, you can dispense with calling Andrew Sullivan a zealot, merely pro-war will do. If you read him consistently, you will note that he is often critical of Bush on a wide range of issues, including aspects of the war. I have read enough of your opinions to ask myself, between what two points on the political spectrum do you consider yourself to be centrist? I would consider you to be left of center-left. Posted by: tallan at November 22, 2003 10:08 PM |
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